OAP 061: Interview w/ Cameron Skinner – How He Earns 22% Annually Selling Options Every Day

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I’m just going to come right out and say it - today’s show is going to blow your mind. Not because we are talking about some crazy complicated strategy or options pricing model, but because we’re talking about a dead simple system for selling options every day that generates 22% per year since 2009. And what’s so fascinating for me, the host of the show, is how calm and cool our special guest is talking about his strategy. It’s just so mechanical and systematic it’s almost boring (well not for me but maybe some people might think so).

In today’s show I’ll be interviewing an incredible trader, real estate entrepreneur and patriot. You’ll hear how this former Army Officer who served in Iraq in 2003, subsequently awarded a Bronze Star, used his “options” experience in real estate to start selling covered calls. Eventually, he transitioned into selling credit spreads on the major indexes and continues to generate consistent income with an annual average return of 22% per year. So yeah, you should listen to today’s show - and of course forward it to at least 3 other people you think need to hear it right now.

About Cameron Skinner:

  • Cameron received his accounting degree from FSU in 1998, his MBA from Troy State in 2002, and he is licensed to practice as a CPA and tax accountant.
  • He was a former army officer who served in Iraq in 2003 and was awarded the bronze star for his service there.
  • Cameron is also a licensed general contractor as part of his real estate ventures. He has been a real estate investor for a long time and started trading options 15 years ago.
  • In this interview, Cameron discusses how he started trading cash covered calls and then transitioned into spreads, eventually. This is the natural progression that most people have, starting with covered calls and then slowly moving towards just trading options as a whole.

Interview Focus Points:

  1. His strategy is so simple — a “one by one” strategy.
  2. His exit strategy — Cameron takes a relaxed philosophy for handling trades when markets move against them.

Interview Takeaways:

  • Options trading has become a lot more convenient over the years, and making actual trades is much simpler than it used to be 15 years ago.
  • With the increased volume in the options market and because of the spreads being so tight now, you can get really creative with some of the more complex strategies.
  • The main reason to transition into more complex strategies, like credit spreads, is because with cash covered puts and covered calls you are limited on the income that you can make.
  • When trading, Cameron takes the stance of an insurance company by taking in a premium every month and if something dramatic happens he takes on the risk. However, he also gets re-insured by buying protection below that.
  • With this in mind, when trading on the SPY, 10% out of the money, he will sell a put and then buy protection 1 to 3 strikes below that. He will sell one and buy another every day — sell one 60 days out, and buy on 30 days out.
  • Cameron found that from looking through a lot of data and building up the experience when you are 10% out of the money, your best decay comes between 30 and 60 days.


Say you put a trade on and get $1,000 on the trade. It will decay down from $1,000 to $200, then you take it off and re-roll it and get another $1,000. So you are making $800 every month versus only making $1,000 every two months. The key is the ability to increase the velocity of your money and the number of times you can roll it over. The ability to have a higher win rate and to capture that premium earlier definitely works out in the long-term.

  • Cameron chooses a major index to trade on depending on how much premium he can get, 10% out of the money. There is huge volume in those indices, so you can always move out of the positions or roll them out relatively easily, plus, the spreads are also very tight.
  • To hedge against a bad trade or market move, Cameron opts to stick with his original strategy. He will still buy it back at 30 days out. You ultimately may have to buy back a couple of spreads for dramatically more than what you sold them for, but at the end of the day it all works out.


If you put it on at $1,000 and there is a 10% move, you might buy it back for $6,000. But then at the same time, you put another one out, 10% out of the money, 60 days out. So then you will get $1,000 premium. Usually volatility spikes, so then the premium increases and you may even get $2,000 for the same exact trade just for the next month.

  • The best approach is to try and mitigate most losses, but to keep in mind that statistically, every 20 months you will lose money, and every five years you may take a really bad hit.
  • Put yourself in the mindset that you are going to lose money every once in a while, but if you set your strategy up correctly and you really look at the probabilities, then you will take more premium in than you will ever pay out.
  • When entering a trade, in regards to allocation, Cameron normally has 60-70% on and will keep 30-40% in cash to prepare for the big loss events that are bound to happen.
  • When volatility spikes up, Cameron's strategy is to put a credit spread on the call side and then just wait for the volatility to come out of the market, and then take it off. In these trades you want to put them on pretty close to the money and 90 to 100 days out to give you plenty of time for it to work.


During Brexit the volatility spiked. Cameron put on several credit spreads, waited until things calmed down, and then took them off.

  • As options traders, the key is to look at the probabilities and make strategic assessments on how to make money by selling premium.
  • If you are going to be selling options you need to make sure that you have plenty of reserves because there will be those one-off events with huge moves in the market that you will need to have capital at the end of those moves to get back into the market.
  • You have to look at options trading as a long-term strategy, and you have to set up your strategy to be realistic, factoring in losing months.

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2. Do you know of any good overall technical analysis books or webinars or websites as a good source to learn?

3. Do you look at any sort of fundamentals before making a trade?

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  • IBB Iron Condor (Closing Trade): Today we're exiting an iron condor we traded in IBB for a $142 profit. Inside you'll see me analyze the exit price and fill the trade in real-time.

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About The Author

Kirk Du Plessis

Kirk founded Option Alpha in early 2007 and currently serves as the Head Trader. In 2018, Option Alpha hit the Inc. 500 list at #215 as one of the fastest growing private companies in the US. Formerly an Investment Banker in the Mergers and Acquisitions Group for Deutsche Bank in New York and REIT Analyst for BB&T Capital Markets in Washington D.C., he's a Full-time Options Trader and Real Estate Investor. He's been interviewed on dozens of investing websites/podcasts and he's been seen in Barron’s Magazine, SmartMoney, and various other financial publications. Kirk currently lives in Pennsylvania (USA) with his beautiful wife and three children.